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February 10, 2025 Score: 52 Rep: 50,237 Quality: Expert Completeness: 50%

I am going to expand on my Comments.

To answer your direct question - if you and your manager are on good terms - absolutely ask them for a reference. Likely they will provide you a glowing reference.

Especially if what I think is happening, is happening

Right - that out of the way - looking at your description of the situation:

  • Previous two ratings were exceeds expectations
  • Recent review was meets expectations
  • Company has had a merger and restructure
  • Suddenly you are on a PIP for being an underperformer two weeks later.

This sounds an awful lot like Constructive Dismissal - and I believe is illegal under Canadian Law - although IANAL

At the very least, that sequence of events, provided you have the evidence to back them up (hint - before you do anything - make sure you have said evidence) would be enough to have a chat with an Employment Lawyer.

You mentioned several people suddenly going on PIPs. It would be an awful shame if all of them contacted an Employment Lawyer and all had similar patterns of behavior.

The best case scenario is that a well worded letter is sent, the Company stops the funny business and either goes through the proper termination process or offers you a redundancy package.

Worst case - well, I will let a local lawyer advise.

So TL;DR - I wouldnt be worrying about a reference, I would be having a chat with a local employment lawyer and gathering evidence ASAP.

February 9, 2025 Score: 16 Rep: 12,140 Quality: High Completeness: 10%

Get the reference and move along. They are telling you that there is no future at this company.

It is very unlikely that they would be anything negative in a reference. We (random internet people) can't know what the motivation of you manager is. But you seem to imply that they are being truthful and somewhat on your side. If that is accurate, get them to give you a reference letter. If you can remind them of the successes without being heavy-handed, that would be helpful.

February 10, 2025 Score: 13 Rep: 1,421 Quality: High Completeness: 30%

Working harder or better will not do anything.

No matter how hard you try, at the very best you may delay the termination. They have made up their mind, the PIP is just a means of legally saving them money.

And you are gleefully playing along. Never sign anything that is to your disadvantage. You are told you're doing a good job? Why would you sign a paper that states you're just doing ok? If your job has a union, join ASAP (and for your next job join immediately or stay in). You may even want to consult a lawyer.

However it is critical that you get a reference from your current manager asap (or at lease before the union/lawyer route gets known and/or your current manager leaves). Your new manager will not give you a good recommendation because that may be usable for constructive dismissal lawsuits, so as soon as your current (nice) manager is gone, your reference is too.

That being said, maybe be proactive about severance. They clearly want you gone and while PIPs are more or less safe from a companys point of view, they're already bending the truth to the point of you noticing so they may take the easy and safe route. This means that it may be advantageous for you to state your readiness to take it. Do this after consulting with a lawyer though because severance obviously excludes a settlement (or makes it far harder). This consultation may also give you a better perspective what amount of severance is realistic.

That all being said: start updating you resume, LinkedIn and so on.

February 11, 2025 Score: 12 Rep: 89,620 Quality: Expert Completeness: 30%

I've been in this situation, in Canada.

Negotiate.

Your company wants you gone. It makes complete sense to negotiate a good severance package, and that's probably what you should do.

That said you first step should definitely be have a discussion with an employment lawyer. You need them to tell you what your rights are, and what your company could expect to pay if they try to lay you off without cause. That gives you a starting point for your negotiations. Definitely get in touch with other people in the same situation and consult a lawyer together. Splitting the cost of a lawyer two, four or six ways makes it very affordable, and the consultation will virtually certainly pay for itself.

Regarding your PIP; your lawyer will probably give you some hints, but make sure everything in the PIP is objective and measurable. And make sure it is reasonable compared to past performance and other people. It is not reasonable to "fail" you on your PIP if you are writing the same number of lines of code, or creating fewer bugs, than you were when you were getting "exceeds expectations" ratings. Also you shouldn't be getting significantly different PIP measures from the other people in the same circumstances.

February 10, 2025 Score: 4 Rep: 14,215 Quality: Medium Completeness: 20%

Given the situation, I am considering accepting severance if offered, as I feel I may no longer be wanted within the company.

Smart idea, but be proactive. Start looking for your next role.

Would it be advisable to request a reference from my direct manager before the PIP begins?

Before, during, or whatever it is very advisable. It sounds like they do not agree with upper management about your performance. Additionally there may be other coworkers that feel the same way. Both offer to provide them with a good reference and ask them for one yourself.

February 12, 2025 Score: 2 Rep: 121 Quality: Low Completeness: 20%

Same story in the company I worked for last year.

Most of the employees were put on PIP without any strong reason, and several of them were performing really good. A former colleague of mine was terminated immediately last month. I believe it to be a global issue as the overall market is down and companies are finding a safe way to reduce their workforce. Maybe they fear AI.

As you said, many of your performance reviews were good, i highly doubt if they still want to keep you in the team, even though you are an over-performer as you said.

I highly advise you to keep looking for other opportunities beforehand. Good luck!