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TurboQuant (`-ctk turbo3 -ctv turbo3`) integration with Vulkan devices for LLM inference.

Technical Positioning
Achieving broad hardware compatibility for TurboQuant, specifically extending to Vulkan-enabled AMD GPUs.
SaaS Insight & Market Implications
This issue reports a critical failure of TurboQuant on Vulkan-enabled AMD GPUs, specifically with `turbo3` cache types. The execution halts during model loading, indicating a fundamental incompatibility or bug within the `ggml-backend.cpp` Vulkan implementation. For B2B SaaS, limited hardware compatibility restricts market reach and forces customers into specific hardware ecosystems. Failure to support prevalent GPU APIs like Vulkan, especially on AMD hardware, alienates a significant segment of the market. This highlights the necessity for comprehensive cross-platform validation and robust backend implementations to ensure broad accessibility and prevent critical deployment failures.
Proprietary Technical Taxonomy
Vulkan device ggml_vulkan AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX RADV NAVI31 turbo3 turboquant llama-server Qwen3.5-27B-GGUF

Raw Developer Origin & Technical Request

Source Icon GitHub Issue Mar 28, 2026
Repo: TheTom/turboquant_plus
Don't work on vulkan device

~/Scaricati/llama-cpp-turboquant/build/bin$ sudo ./llama-server -m /media/vincenzo/Dati/models/unsloth/Qwen3.5-27B-GGUF/Qwen3.5-27B-Q6_K.gguf -ctk turbo3 -ctv turbo3
ggml_vulkan: Found 2 Vulkan devices:
ggml_vulkan: 0 = AMD Ryzen 9 9900X 12-Core Processor (RADV RAPHAEL_MENDOCINO) (radv) | uma: 1 | fp16: 1 | bf16: 0 | warp size: 32 | shared memory: 65536 | int dot: 0 | matrix cores: none
ggml_vulkan: 1 = AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX (RADV NAVI31) (radv) | uma: 0 | fp16: 1 | bf16: 0 | warp size: 64 | shared memory: 65536 | int dot: 0 | matrix cores: KHR_coopmat
main: n_parallel is set to auto, using n_parallel = 4 and kv_unified = true
build: 8621 (a52586e2a) with GNU 15.2.0 for Linux x86_64
system info: n_threads = 12, n_threads_batch = 12, total_threads = 24

system_info: n_threads = 12 (n_threads_batch = 12) / 24 | CPU : SSE3 = 1 | SSSE3 = 1 | AVX = 1 | AVX_VNNI = 1 | AVX2 = 1 | F16C = 1 | FMA = 1 | BMI2 = 1 | AVX512 = 1 | AVX512_VBMI = 1 | AVX512_VNNI = 1 | AVX512_BF16 = 1 | LLAMAFILE = 1 | OPENMP = 1 | REPACK = 1 |

init: using 23 threads for HTTP server
start: binding port with default address family
main: loading model
srv load_model: loading model '/media/vincenzo/Dati/models/unsloth/Qwen3.5-27B-GGUF/Qwen3.5-27B-Q6_K.gguf'
common_init_result: fitting params to device memory, for bugs during this step try to reproduce them with -fit off, or provide --verbose logs if the bug only occurs with -fit on
/home/vincenzo/Scaricati/llama-cpp-turboquant/ggml/src/ggml-backend.cpp:809...

Developer Debate & Comments

TheTom • Mar 28, 2026
turbo3 currently only supports Metal, CUDA, and ROCm/HIP backends. the Vulkan backend doesn't have a SET_ROWS kernel for the turbo3 quant type yet. since you have an RX 7900 XTX, ROCm would be your best path — apollosenvy has a working ROCm PR here: https://github.com/TheTom/llama-cpp-turboquant/pull/5 that said, ROCm turbo3 still has some quality issues being worked out (head_dim=128 models especially). head_dim=256 models like Qwen3.5 should work.
ogbinar • Mar 30, 2026
i hope the rocm issues get fixed i'm interested to try this out!
TheTom • Mar 31, 2026
Yeah we really need some more rcom support from the community. i only have so many viable devices to play with at home

Adjacent Repository Pain Points

Other highly discussed features and pain points extracted from TheTom/turboquant_plus.

Extracted Positioning
turbo3 quantization for LLM KV cache compression
Achieving 4.6x compression with quality (perplexity, KL divergence, NIAH) comparable to q8_0 (within 2% PPL) and superior to q4_0, while maintaining high inference speed.
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TheTom • Mar 25, 2026
## CRITICAL: Perplexity test reveals quality failure | Cache | PPL | vs f16 | |-------|-----|--------| | f16 | 6.121 | baseline | | q8_0 | 6.111 | -0.16% | | q4_0 | 6.142 | +0.34% | | **turbo3** | ...
TheTom • Mar 25, 2026
## Root causes found ### 1. V cache in rotated space Python verification: dequant output has cosine=0.02 with input (garbage). After inverse rotation: cosine=0.987 (correct). V cache values MUST be...
TheTom • Mar 25, 2026
## QUALITY FIXED ✅ Perplexity with inverse rotation restored in dequant: | Cache | PPL | vs q8_0 | |-------|-----|---------| | f16 | 6.121 | — | | q8_0 | 6.111 | baseline | | q4_0 | 6.142 | +0.5% ...
Extracted Positioning
`turbo3` decode performance for LLM inference on Apple Silicon (M1, M2 Pro, M5 Max), specifically addressing the 'decode cliff' at increasing context depths.
Achieving flat, high-performance `turbo3` decode ratios (0.90x+ of `q8_0`) across all context depths on Apple Silicon, minimizing performance degradation from memory access patterns.
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TheTom • Mar 27, 2026
## M2 Pro Results: Bit-Arithmetic Dequant **Hardware:** Apple M2 Pro, Apple8 (1008), has_tensor=false, 32GB **Model:** Qwen2.5-7B-Instruct-Q4_K_M **Build:** experiment/m1-m2-decode-comparison (auto...
TheTom • Mar 27, 2026
## M2 Pro Results Update: Batched Extract IS a Win True baseline comparison (same branch chain, same build): | Depth | q8_0 | Main (const LUT) | Batched extract | Bit-arithmetic | |-------|------|-...
TheTom • Mar 27, 2026
## BREAKTHROUGH: Profiling isolation identifies exact bottleneck Added TURBO_PROFILE_MODE (0-4) to strip away dequant layers one at a time. ### M5 Max vs M2 Pro at 8K context decode: | Mode | What ...
Extracted Positioning
TurboQuant (turbo3 and turbo4) performance optimization for LLM inference, specifically on Apple M1 hardware.
Achieving superior LLM inference speed (tokens/sec) through TurboQuant optimizations on Apple Silicon (M1).
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MrMuhannadObeidat • Mar 29, 2026
I missed the part where you highlight the fact that tokens/sec may actually degrade with the added compression of KV cache. I tried with turbo3, do not see noticeable degradation but certainly see ...
zrlhk • Mar 31, 2026
这个只是对kv缓存压缩，所以只是提升了最大推理上下文的大小。对模型量化压缩和推理速度，是没有提升的。 原来10G显存，如果是一个9b模型，最大上下文128k可能就OOM了。现在压缩后，就可以支持128k上下文了。
zekrom-vale • Mar 31, 2026
You can just use it like Ollama or LM studio without the slow development or wrapper overheads. I use llama cpp directly and use it with router mode and many llms configured with models.ini and int...
Extracted Positioning
TurboQuant's quantization strategy, specifically regarding K/V norm disparity, attention quantization methods (MSE vs. Prod), and outlier detection (dynamic vs. fixed).
Advancing TurboQuant's quantization efficacy to achieve lower perplexity (PPL) and higher compression (lower average bit rates) through refined techniques.
Extracted Positioning
turbo3 and turbo4 quantization implementation, specifically related to block size changes and kernel instantiation.
Ensuring correct and robust implementation of different quantization schemes (turbo3, turbo4) across varying block sizes and head dimensions, preventing data corruption and out-of-bounds access.

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What problem does TurboQuant (`-ctk turbo3 -ctv turbo3`) integration with Vulkan devices for LLM inference. solve?
Based on our AI analysis of the original developer request, its primary technical positioning is: Achieving broad hardware compatibility for TurboQuant, specifically extending to Vulkan-enabled AMD GPUs.
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Our proprietary extraction maps TurboQuant (`-ctk turbo3 -ctv turbo3`) integration with Vulkan devices for LLM inference. to adjacent architectural concepts including Vulkan device, ggml_vulkan, AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX, RADV NAVI31.

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